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Old 02-02-2014, 02:11 AM   #1
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Twilight Princess

I notice we don't really talk about this one. So commence the Twilight Princess discussion thread.

This is actually my favorite Zelda yet in general it isn't talked about nearly as much as Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask or Wind Waker. Any theories as to why it is seemingly so underrated?
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Old 02-02-2014, 03:30 AM   #2
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I like TP a lot but it's realism feels a bit forced to me.
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:22 AM   #3
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It introduced my favorite sidekick in the series, Midna. That's enough reason for me to love it
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:38 AM   #4
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Twilight Princess is a great game, it just has some really niggling flaws.

The first is the forced, dark atmosphere. Nintendo really went to great lengths to make TP feel like a darker, grittier Zelda game, and after the bright cartoonish vibe of WW, that's understandable. Yet even with WW, you still had plenty of dark, unsettling moments. Really all they had to do was keep an atmosphere similar to OoT and MM to really make this game stand out.

Thus could just be a personal gripe, but the game had a lack of focus on its cast of characters. What characters should we care about? Ilia? Zelda? The resistance group? All these characters fall to the wayside near the halfway mark of the game to make room for Midna. I'm not knocking Midna, she's one of the best Zelda characters in recent memory, but she's given more attention than even one of the most primary characters. On that same point, the game builds up a very interesting villain in Zant, all for him to ultimately be pushed to the wayside for Ganondorf. This isn't the first instance that this has happened; ALttP ultimately revealed that Agahnim was merely an alter ego for Ganon to achieve his goals. But what separates the two from each other is that Zant and Ganondorf are two different characters with different goals in mind, whereas it was less shocking to have Agahnim get overthrown for Gamon because in the end the two ultimately wanted the same thing; by that logic, you can conclude Agahnim and Ganon may very well be one and the same.

To the point of gameplay, TP had a bevy of underutilized items, such as the Slingshot, the Spinner, the Ball & Chain, the Dominion Rod, and the Horse Call. They really could've built more around the use of these items, and you can partially see that intent in smaller caves and side dungeons like the Cave of Ordeals, but it really didn't feel like there was enough.

Ultimately, Twilight Princess suffers from a lack of attention on several points, but the key elements remain in place. You have the largest overworld in a 3D Zelda game (2nd largest Zelda overworld behind Zelda II, I really wish they would remake that as a 3D game), you gain the ability for sword combat while on horseback, what items you do get are really fun to use, the dungeons, while not necessarily stepping away from common Zelda tropes, are really creative, and all of the boss fights are very fun and memorable.

And the list goes on and on about how good the game is. I think what really holds the game back are those who magnify the issues of the game so they appear larger than the positive qualities, and with a game like TP it seems really easy to do that.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:48 AM   #5
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I loved TP, it's probably my 2nd favourite behind Wind Waker.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:52 AM   #6
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Nintenduendo hit on all the points that I felt really hurt the game. Couldn't have said it much better myself. It's still one of my favorite Zeldas though.

Also, Midna dabes.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:54 AM   #7
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Interesting analysis as usual, Ninty.
I see what you are getting at, but TP's atmosphere feels appropriate and not forced. And for all the build up, the Zant twist was hilarious though I agree he should not have been shoved aside quite so abruptly.
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I love Twilight Princess. It is one of my favorites. I found it to be really pretty and had a lot of fun playing it.
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Twilight Princess is great. I love the atmosphere, the music, the characters and the story (that I got up to so far). Unfortunately I haven't completed it yet.
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I kinda liked it, besides the wolf parts
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