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Old 02-25-2014, 05:58 PM   #1
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Is the discussion of racism helping to keep it alive?

So, I usually try to, avoid this topic with the general public but, I thought this was an interesting proposal. (And it's "Black History Month" ;P)Please be mature.

So, I am friends with and know people from all walks of life. Black, white, asian, homosexual, heterosexual. Whenever I am talking to someone, usually someone Caucasian, on the subject of racism, most of them propose the solution to help curb it would be to stop talking about it. Take away black history month and stop teaching it in schools. The intended goal being, "if kids aren't made aware of race, or rather being given the impression that people with a different skin color are "different" from them on the inside, it will curb the problem. I also notice this argument comes up whenever a movie like 42 or 12 Years a Slave comes out nowadays, people (usually caucasian) roll their eyes and call them "White Guilt Movies".

What are your thoughts on this? Would throwing away that part of history really help the issue?

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Old 02-25-2014, 06:09 PM   #2
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I think, yeah. I'm not saying this out of spite or hatred, I'm not racist in the slightest, but; there's no white history month. If there was, it'd be racist. There's no white only schools either, they'd be classed as racist too. Immigrants come into the UK and get given jobs by the Government that British people aren't allowed to apply for. If the British had jobs kept back for them, we'd be racist.

What the hell is up with that? Scrapping the lot of it would be the only way to fix it, no special treatment for either side. (Same with feminism while we're on equality, too.)
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:13 PM   #3
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in a certain sense,but it boils down more to upbringings that anything. If a white child grows up in an environment where he is taught that black people or any other race is beneath them, then they become brainwashed, or indoctrinated into that belief.If a black child is brought up being taught that the white man enslaved him (which is still a hilarious concept that I really have no idea the education system gets away with teaching) and that they should oppose the white man, then of course they're going to grow up to be a race card playing, racist person as well.

Talking about it does play a role, but a very small one in comparison. You also have to remember that we are humans; a chaotic species that seems to fuel itself on hate.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:57 PM   #4
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I think by this point racism should be used for a point of history, reminding us that even if we're different colors we are all in this together. When movies like 12 Years a Slave come out, I think we should use it as a point of reference that, yes, one time we didn't see ourselves equal, but together we can change the world to a place where I don't see you as a color; I see you as Brandyn, and you see me as Chris.

Unfortunately what keeps this change grounded is what SGC64 hit on the head: upbringing.
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:24 PM   #5
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it just depends on alot of factors and events in ones life ....

environment ( region of a country/ city ) and the people that live in it ....

alot of it comes from history ( who enslaved who ), i mean alot of europeans at one where owned by one person or another ( even 1200 yrs of the roman empire for example, one of many ) and they got over it ....

people just have a hard time letting go past experience ( of friends and family saying this and that, brainwashing each other, which is blinding them ) its just time to let it go .... what happened happened you can not rewrite history or try to erase it ....

and another is that what is the norm ( which alot of stuff out there is not normal, but who am i to judge ) .... it something new and some have a hard time accepting it, if they do accept it

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Old 02-27-2014, 08:33 AM   #6
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To simply stop talking about racism as if it doesn't exist would be like putting a blanket over a fire and saying it's not there. The smoke is still there, there's still heat being emitted, but if you're convinced that there's no fire simply because you can't see flames, you're going to end up dead. That's not to say that denying racism exists will kill you, but it's avoiding the elephant in the room. Racism persists, to this day, in many parts of the world and simply ignoring it will only make racism that much stronger. It also doesn't help that a lot of people truly believe that it's impossible for a minority ethnic group to be racist against a majority ethnic group. This perception has to change before racism can ever truly start to go away. A good majority of Americans will have some form of immigrant ancestry within the last five generations. People see themselves as white, black, Latino, or Asian before they see themselves as American, so there really is only solidarity among races/nationalities rather than solidarity in being American.

Ultimately, the best way to help combat racism is indeed to keep discussing it, but it needs to be stressed that racism is racism regardless of skin color or ethnic background. Simply being white or black or Latino or Asian or Arab doesn't make the racist things you say any more or less racist. Stuff like affirmative action programs, which have more to do with race rather than socioeconomic need, only help to perpetuate the notion that races aren't equal. It shows that they only got into that college or got that job was because of their race and not because of their own achievements. I think things like Black History Month are a great way to help highlight the achievements of people who would otherwise go unnoticed due to their skin color, but it can't always turn into a racist debate about how white people don't get their own history month. Go to any college or university and look at how many European history courses are offered compared to every other type of ethnic history. White people get plenty of acknowledgement in history, they don't need to be relegated to a specific month.

In short, as long as there is still racism, there will be a need to discuss it. What we can do, though, is to stop perpetuating the notion that only the majority is capable of being racist against the minority. Racism is racism, regardless of who it is.
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So, I usually try to, avoid this topic with the general public but, I thought this was an interesting proposal. (And it's "Black History Month" ;P)Please be mature.

So, I am friends with and know people from all walks of life. Black, white, asian, homosexual, heterosexual. Whenever I am talking to someone, usually someone Caucasian, on the subject of racism, most of them propose the solution to help curb it would be to stop talking about it. Take away black history month and stop teaching it in schools. The intended goal being, "if kids aren't made aware of race, or rather being given the impression that people with a different skin color are "different" from them on the inside, it will curb the problem. I also notice this argument comes up whenever a movie like 42 or 12 Years a Slave comes out nowadays, people (usually caucasian) roll their eyes and call them "White Guilt Movies".

What are your thoughts on this? Would throwing away that part of history really help the issue?

Discuss.
No way, this seems like a very stupid "solution" concocted by the people who racism least effects. Maybe the general public are more aware of racism nowadays, but that does not mean we've got to the point where we can just forget about it and things will run smoothly.

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I think, yeah. I'm not saying this out of spite or hatred, I'm not racist in the slightest, but; there's no white history month. If there was, it'd be racist. There's no white only schools either, they'd be classed as racist too. Immigrants come into the UK and get given jobs by the Government that British people aren't allowed to apply for. If the British had jobs kept back for them, we'd be racist.

What the hell is up with that? Scrapping the lot of it would be the only way to fix it, no special treatment for either side. (Same with feminism while we're on equality, too.)
I feel like if you need to say that you aren't at all racist before making a point, it's a bad sign. Be thankful that we do not need a white history month.

But also I'm against the whole idea of people who say "I dont see race/colour". We have to embrace our differences and celebrate our cultures, not pretend everyone is exactly the same.
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I feel like if you need to say that you aren't at all racist before making a point, it's a bad sign. Be thankful that we do not need a white history month.
Sometimes you have to because there's a lot of sensitive people who can get the wrong idea and mistake it for racism when it's just a strong opinion about justice. But I agree.
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I don't think just not talking about it would really change much but I don't think that there is ever going to be total equality or total eradication of racism, or if there was then it would be in the distant future.
You can correct issues in the law but changing peoples minds and opinions is a hell of a lot different. There are still many racists around, people just aren't as vocal about it as they used to be.
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