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Old 09-11-2008, 12:13 AM   #1
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Ethics...?

My Psychology teacher said that people who blow themselfs up Have the SAME ethics as a firefighter...
I think thats straight up BS. But he said that since the guy who blows themself up and would sacrifice themselfs for the cause that he believes in, that he has the same 'ethics' as someone who would sacrifice themself to save innocent defenceless people.
I said that they dont, but he said i was wrong...?

What do you think?
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:18 AM   #2
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I can see where she is comming from. The terrorists who blow themselves up do it because they believe that's what God told them to do and that's what God wants them to do. That's what they think they need to be doing.
Firefighters help put out fires and save lives because they believe that's what they need to be doing.
The only difference between the two is Firefighters are heros and are doing what the truly need to be doing. Terrorists are not hero and they are doing a horrible thing.
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Terrorists are misguided individuals. They have strong beliefs in what they do. But they are weak and guided by those of the darkside.
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Old 09-11-2008, 12:09 PM   #4
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Terrorists....otherwise known as "muslims"....

Am not trying to be racist here...but majority of them are....

So they do those suicide bombing things to get them 40
virgins up in their "heaven" or what they call paradise....

Okay that was complete BS and Politically Incorrect
statements by Marvman.

Here's the real reason why they do so....

Spoiler
Their family/loved ones get "money" for doing such acts. It is their only way out of poverty and to gain instant family rep.



Need more.....
Look what a "former" terrorist has to say....





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Old 09-11-2008, 02:18 PM   #5
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Yup they're guided by Darth Vader.
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I can see the comparison to firefighters by your teacher SeanMi. Both give themselves completely to a code of conduct. Can you imagine the will it takes to commit such a violent, public act of suicide, especially if you things to live for? (i.e. not a depressed or suicidal individual)
Obviously I am not condoning terrorism, or even applauding it. In fact, I tend to side with Marvman on the issue, although I think he could have worded it better. But yes, Fundamentalist Islam is definitely the leading force behind the 9/11 attacks.

Let me make one thing clear though...
NOTHING about ANY Fundamentalist religion does society any good.
Even Fundamentalist Christians.
There is never any good that comes from the belief that your religion is the only right one, or better than any other one.
This is the reason wars have been started and waged for millenia.
The Protestant/Catholic conflicts over the years in Ireland is a great example...both sides are SUPPOSED to believe that Jesus taught about forgiveness and treating your neighbor as you would treat yourself. And their viewpoints are not so different...they are both CHRISTIANS for Christ's sake! (pun intended)
Wars over religion seem like an oxymoron to me.
The cultural war taking place in America right now, where certain groups maintain that America is and was founded as a Christian nation (this evidence is basically based on the fact that it says the word "God" in the Declaration of Independence....not even the Constitution, mind you...)
What about other religions? Don't they believe in God? Couldn't it be argued that America is a Muslim nation? Or Jewish? Or Mormon? (in fact, Mormon's believe that Jesus visited America hundreds of years ago during his second coming...)
My point is, violence ensues when people fight over whose religion is the correct one, when, let's face it, no one can PROVE such a claim one way or another.
I personally believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who touched the world with His noodly appendage and created us all, but I don't feel the need to teach about Him in schools, or have His writings posted in courthouses, or claim that this country is founded on Him.
Fundamentalism of every kind is hurtful to the rest of society.
Islam is especially dangerous because of the praise for violence in the Q'uran. (even though the word "islam" means "peace".)
Fundamentalist Christians tend to have this fixation about the Book of Revalations, the end of times, and the apocalypse.
They are rightfully excited about it, because according to their beliefs, their worldly suffering will end and they'll be greeted to ultimate bliss in heaven.
No virgins though....maybe it's the virgins that entice Muslims to blow themselves up.

So there are my thoughts on the subject.
Yes, Islamic terrorists are as dedicated, if that's the word you want to use, to their ideals as a fireman is.
That doesn't mean it's right...it just makes it that much more scary....
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Ethos is a wonderful thing.

Your teacher is right. While what they do is different, the reason they do it is similar, as stated many times earlier.

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