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Old 09-26-2008, 12:47 AM   #1
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Gay Marriage Thread

"I agree with marvman. Same sex marriges are wrong. Now i never followed anytype of religion, But i still think its wrong. Since marrige has to do something with religion, and mosts religions believe marrige is between a man and a women. Civil Unions i believe are good. Its basically the same thing. I'm sick of all these gay people yelling "I want to be married"

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It's been the talk of the forum, it seems.
Clay Aiken is gay, etc. etc.
What do you think about this issue?
Do you agree with SeanMi and think that, even though marriage is a state institution, and you don't have to be married in a church to be considered married in the eyes of the government (like me and my wife, for example....we were married in judge's chambers, no religion involved...just love) that gays should not be allowed to marry?

Or do you think that marriage is between two people in love, and religion should not play a part in our gov't?

Let me know, and please, no flaming or gay-bashing, please. If you really have a beef, please PM whatever person you wanna get angry at.

Bonus Question:
Should gays be allowed to adopt? If not, why?
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:55 AM   #2
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I think gay marrige is completely fine. If someone is gay and the love someone, Whos to say they shouldnt get married? And if they want a kid they should be allowed to adopt...
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:49 AM   #3
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This is a two headed horse of an issue....

Religion will always be mentioned in cases of sanctity of marriage
between a man and a woman. It cannot be avoided.
It is the truths behind it all that bears foremention to it all.
With out such laws and disciplines for a race to consumate
a relationship between their own gender, there would most likely
be a lack of new spawns carrying on the genes of the species;
i.e. extinction, due to lack of births, as births are concieved when
"a man and a woman" commit an act of love, and exhcange
of fluids that spawn a fetus. Such an "act" that cannot
happen (impossible) between members of the same gender.

But all living things/human beings,
have the right to bear happiness and seek relationships;
regardless of gender, race, birth right, social status, age, health;
and perhaps in the future; species.....yes species....
is that too far out there for you?
Such is their right to live their life they want to live,
free from the chains of oppression and anarchy that has
binded humanity's civil strife for ages.......and ages to come.

Even with all these particulars considered...
there is no "exact" way to resolve this issue,
as perhaps it may never be fully accepted by both sides of the coin.

But there can always be.........."adjustments" made on both sides
that should compensate and relinquish any forms of virtuous
animosity; although not the ethical one; from the equation....

In Marvman's eyes this is an issue that will never die,
as long as "they" continue to multiply (thru environmental
and peer influences, although some would blame the devil, which is nonsense).

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Old 09-26-2008, 10:27 AM   #4
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Religion will always be mentioned in cases of sanctity of marriage
between a man and a woman. It cannot be avoided.
It is the truths behind it all that bears foremention to it all.
With out such laws and disciplines for a race to consumate
a relationship between their own gender, there would most likely
be a lack of new spawns carrying on the genes of the species;
i.e. extinction, due to lack of births, as births are concieved when
"a man and a woman" commit an act of love, and exhcange
of fluids that spawn a fetus. Such an "act" that cannot
happen (impossible) between members of the same gender.

But all living things/human beings,
have the right to bear happiness and seek relationships;
regardless of gender, race, birth right, social status, age, health;
and perhaps in the future; species.....yes species....
is that too far out there for you?


Even with all these particulars considered...
there is no "exact" way to resolve this issue,
as perhaps it may never be fully accepted by both sides of the coin.

Rockn.
All right Marvman.
Let me drop some knowledge, Squirtle Squad style.

Firstly, about your comment "extinction, due to lack of births, as births are concieved when "a man and a woman" commit an act of love"
That is ridiculous.
Are you saying that if gay marriage is legalized, straight people will just stop making babies? Wha wha wha?
And what if a straight couple is infertile? Should they be banned from marriage, because they can't procreate?
If anything, we need gay couples around to adopt all the kids that no one else wants...and trust me, there are plenty of kids in foster care looking for good homes.
Since when does marriage HAVE to result in a child.
I don't intend on having children, so should my marriage license be taken away?

All right, secondly, that bit about all living things having a right to happiness....I wasn't aware the constitution covered all species and living things...in that case we should close down all the slaughterhouses and stop killing cows, because I'm sure they're not exactly happy in there.
One of my biggest pet peeves about the gay marriage issue is when people start saying that gay marriage will lead to people marrying their pets.
1) Pets can't consent to marriage.
2) That's stupid.

And thirdly, when you said
"there is no "exact" way to resolve this issue"
I disagree.
I have a solution.
Here goes.
I think the "problem" lies between the religious definition of marriage, and the legal definition of marriage. Because you can get married in a courthouse or a church, they are often seen as similar. But here's my proposal...
If the religious want to protect the "sanctity of marriage" as they say, then fine.
Let them have marriage.
I propose that all gov't issued marriage licenses are not called marriage licenses anymore. I think that what the gov't calls marriage right now should be called "civil unions", or something equivalent. Then, if you are religious, you can take your civil union certificate to your Church and get "married" by your Church.
That way, your Church can be as homophobic as they want, or whatever, and the sanctity of "marriage" is protected. But in the state's eyes, all "civil unions", gay, straight, or otherwise, are legal and equal.

This plan would work. And I would agree to it.
There should be a seperation of church and state, and the easiest way to do this in the case of marriage is to not have them both call it the same thing.

What do you think?
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:39 AM   #5
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I'm totally against gay marriage. I'm cool with gay people but you shouldn't have the right to get married. I'm going to leave it that.
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I'm totally against gay marriage. I'm cool with gay people but you shouldn't have the right to get married. I'm going to leave it that.
All right.
I accept your views.
But is there a reason?

What do you think of my solution?
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I'm totally against gay marriage. I'm cool with gay people but you shouldn't have the right to get married. I'm going to leave it that.
And why shouldnt they be allowed to get married? If they love each other no one should stop them...

@Marvman, Its not like if 1 gay couple gets married, Everyone will turn gay... If they are gay chances are, They wont have babies anyway...
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I am perfectly fine with homosexuals getting married. There is no reason why two people shouldn't be together just because they are the same sex. Who is to determine whether or not someone should be happy. I think they should be allowed to adopt children as well. Are they not human beings? Do they not deserve the same treatment as heterosexuals? If you answered no to either of those questions, then you obviously are a retarded zealot.

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Im cool with gays and they should be allowed to get married cuz they are in love with some1 else.Its not holy cuz God intended man and women to marry and it says in the bible somewhere in the revelation section that men and men or women and women should not marry but hey if they r in love u shouldnt stop them.
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if anyone thinks im a hater on gays...trust me...your wrong. one of my best friends is gay. But he doesnt flount it all over.
i dont know much about religion either. but if marrige is something that has to do with religion, one that is for only a man and a women getting married, then gays shouldnt get married. Why cant they just be happy with civil unions? Does this make me a retarded zealot Lukario?
i dont have a problem with gay couples adopting.
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