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Old 11-16-2008, 11:08 PM   #1
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Illegal Immigration

What is your stance? Should they be given amnesty? or should they be deported? Or...

I believe Illegal immigrants should be deported. They broke the law in trying to enter the country. If we give them amnesty, what would the people who came here legally think? the people who took the time and did things right.

I do however think it should be a little easier to gain citizenship. But must be able to speak english.
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:11 PM   #2
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:17 PM   #3
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Meh, I don't like them. They break the law coming over, then excpect us to speak Spanish for them and give them work. They should at least learn English.
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I don't know about you, but most immigrants live in awful countries in horrible living conditions, so I feel bad for them. But if we looked at the other side, then yeah, I'd say it is not fair to the people who rightfully gained entrance here. I guess you've just gotta look at it from a moral standpoint. Also certain immigrants actually send money to their relatives in their original country so they can legally gain access, I believe.

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Meh, I don't like them. They break the law coming over, then excpect us to speak Spanish for them and give them work. They should at least learn English.
Actually I'd say we actually kinda take advantage of them, making them work in jobs like being a janitor, fast food worker, etc.

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Old 11-16-2008, 11:23 PM   #5
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.... im not sure what my stance is on this.. though i KNOW that i dont hate them for doing it..


.. i mean.. how can you blame them?.. they live in a ****hole.. want to provide for their families.. yet right accross the border is a land of oppurtunity that they can just walk over to...
..... but.. at the same time, they DID break the law.. and it hurts us economically.. we need to fend for ourselves.. once we are in a proper position of supreme dominance, then we can help mexico as a hole..

.... im still undecided on this issue..
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.... im not sure what my stance is on this.. though i KNOW that i dont hate them for doing it..


.. i mean.. how can you blame them?.. they live in a ****hole.. want to provide for their families.. yet right accross the border is a land of oppurtunity that they can just walk over to...
..... but.. at the same time, they DID break the law.. and it hurts us economically.. we need to fend for ourselves.. once we are in a proper position of supreme dominance, then we can help mexico as a hole..

.... im still undecided on this issue..
Exactly, it seems like there is two sides to this whole thing.

1. The awful country they live in, and their dreams A.K.A moral dilemmas

2. The effect it has on our country A.K.A Concerns for society as a whole
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Exactly, it seems like there is two sides to this whole thing.

1. The awful country they live in, and their dreams A.K.A moral dilemmas

2. The effect it has on our country A.K.A Concerns for society as a whole
yeah... and its not like its a selfish thing either way.. it feels like a "care for your kids or the neighbors kids first?" issue..

hmm.....


... ill have to think about this more..
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I do not blame them. I blame our government and big business. They are the sleazebags that allow this.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:15 PM   #9
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Ok, as liberal a person as I am, this is one issue I'm rather conservative on...

Here's my opinion:
I think, most of all, we need to crack down on businesses that use illegals as a source of labor. I think the aliens should be deported from this country (if they entered the country illegally, why shouldn't they be deported?) And I think that we need to improve our relations with Mexico (because let's face it, that's where the majority of illegal immigrants come from simply because of the ease of access) because the reason poeple keep crossing our borders is because THEY HAVE IT SO SHITTY.
I'm not talking charity, like handing Mexico a few billion dollars to get shit together, but I think we need to stop sending our jobs to Mexico and forcing them to work for far lower wages then us (this means abolishing NAFTA)and encourage them to promote their own businesses. Mexico has a large population, and is also home to the largest city in the world, so why can't we help Mexico realize their potential? That way we will have jobs to ourselves, Mexicans will hesitate before coming over here (especially if we crack down on immigration and illegal hiring) and we can encourage people to emigrate legally...now, about immigrants having to learn English....I'm not sure how I feel about that. Firstly, English is not our national language...in fact, we don't have a national language. Certainly someone on this forum is gonna bring up the fact that the Constitution, Declaration, etc. etc. were all written in English...I know. I've heard it all before.
But English is a tough language to learn, especially for older people.
I know that some European countries have a language requirement (I think you need to speak Dutch if you want to emigrate to the Netherlands, etc.) but I'm still undecided about this...
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